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Sorry, But Women Are Second-Class Human Beings (In Kelantan)

Posted on: June 23, 2008

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It is official. The Kelantanese State Government has the same IQ and brain-processing power as that of that young lady who made a stupid statement about school uniforms inviting rape and unwanted children.

Several years ago, good-looking women in Kelantan were forbidden from working to avoid being raped or other wrong-doings. Since looks are subjective, the benchmark set (according to my ANALysis) is those who are prettier than Nik Aziz cannot be employed anywhere in Kelantan.

Today, the Kelantanese State Government has announced that women can no longer wear lipsticks or heeled-shoes to avoid being rape or sexual wrongdoings. Yup, it was on TV just now. Funny thing is, I never saw a baby wearing lipstick or heeled-shoes, or a 70-year old woman in sexy dress…but they got raped somehow. How do you explain that? God’s wrath?

This coming from a state that has produced obnoxious and sick people who screw their ex-wives, goats, cows (probably because their ex-wives look similar) and can complain about not being acknowledge when the reply came was, “I’ve been here before” after being invited to sit together by the host, or co-hosts. Women cannot put on make-up, colour the hair, must wear tudung, but must screw with their boyfriend because screwing the boyfriend is not as big a sin as not wearing the tudung, as prescribed by the Old Testament.

I’m sorry, but the wearing of the tudung is not in the al-Quran because there is no mention about the women’s hair as being part of the aurat, so if you insist, I can tell you that it came from the New Testicles. In the Bible it does say that it is obligatory for women to cover their head.

Bastard ragheads bringing shame to Islam.

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It going to be interesting when i go to Kota Bharu airport next time. Imagine the MAS and AA staff who work in airport usually cover with makeup, will soon be ban.

You know, SD, i think you ought to study the Qur’an Sunnah, Ijma’ and Qiyas properly before attempting to talk about what is aurat and what is not. Seriously, you’re being blasphemous here. And don’t believe everything they said on national TV. It is UMNO TV after all. I’m not saying that PAS is 100% correct here. But they tend to be misquoted all the time. And the ruling is for MPKB staff , the enforcer…not on the whole Kelantanese community.

I live and work in Kelantan, and I know how it is like over here.

Mak Su, it seems you don’t even know what blasphemy means. I do not commit blasphemy by criticizing laws made based on the interpretation made by fellow human beings, and ijma’ means collective, while qiyas means where it is silent a deduction is made based on an injunction. There has never been an ijma’ amongst the world’s ulama on the hair being the aurat, and there certainly isn’t any in the al Quran. If you believe everything they say at face value, then I’m sorry to say that you are blasphemous for believing them as the authority in making religious laws and not God Himself.

Mazhab’s are just schools of thoughts, not God’s decree for mankind to follow. I suggest you take back the oath of the two kalimah syahadah, or do you understand how you can split that into aqaidul iman.

Ulamas are not Gods, but maybe they are yours. They certainly aren’t mine. Ulama is the plural word for alim which means knowledgeable. The root word is ilmu. To become an ulama in the old days means you have to be good in seven fields namely science, maths, religion, astronomy and a few others. We can’t call our ulama that anymore. They hardly know anything. That is why their interpretations are rigid as hell and have made God’s Islam into am obscure and regressive way of life. That is why Islam is in such a state of failure, shunned by others not because of some Zionistic thing, but by sheer stupidity of its followers.

I suggest you re learn Islam before you speak to me. All the years in Kelantan have certainly reduced you to a second class human being.

Walter. It is sad isn’t it? Women are man’s equal. Not some sex object to be mistreated and governed by sex maniacs.

interesting. what next? no t-shirts? no jeans? lah senang cerita jangan kasi perempuan keluar rumah without their guardian or husband. ha alang2 buat jer macam kat saudi arabia tu. without the women working, apa nak jadi to the economy kat kelantan?

oh and i think the next thing might be baju kurung. no colorful ones please. or even jeans. lah tak payah pakai baju lagi senang. :p

SD,
I am not interested into being compartmentalised by another human being. I never mentioned that I follow and believe everything people say verbatim.

Go read “An Introduction To Islam” by Abul A’la Mawdudi, and “Purifications of the Heart” by Hamza Yusuf Hanson. You certainly need a lot of spiritual cleansing in you.

Good day to you, respectable sir.

Zaza…see, even the women there cannot differentiate between the words of Allah and the words of men that they acccept the latter as something that is inscribed in stone.

Mak Su…I do not have to read those books as those are the writings of man, based upon the experiences of the writer. I hold to the al-Quran that is my GOD’s words and decree, interpret it using the 3As of reasoning: ‘Aqli, ‘Adat and Agama, and the aHadith as-Sahih….I don’t even subscribe to hadith baik, lemah or palsu like so many Malaysians do. Hamza Yusof Hanson and Abul A’la Mawdudi are not my prophets. I don’t subscribe to any of the mazhabs because mazhabs are schools of thoughts based on personal interpretations, and are not to be taken as the sole guide for spiritual well-being, because I only follow what is in the al-Quran, and where it is silent, I go to the 3A’s and the aHadith as-Sahih.

I suggest you read the al-Quran in toto and understand the history of each of the ayyah, the reason behind why certain verses were brought down etc., before you start reading other books that are beyond your comprehension or are just feeding you for you to accept without question.

Before you run you should walk. Before you walk, crawl.

“Before you run you should walk. Before you walk, crawl”.

Exactly, crawl first…instead of running and jumping..
May Allah always protect you.

Mak Su…speaking for yourself? I am always in God’s protection. How many times have you performed the Haj and Umrah?

You do not want to be compartmentalised, yet by saying I have blasphemed Allah..isn’t that compartmentalising? You need to relearn English as a second language. May I suggest Q-Dees or CEC. Blasphemy happens only when I denounce Allah as the one whom I worship, or reject Muhammad, as His Messenger. Unlike you, I also read the Torah and the Injil, because Allah said to make NO distinction between His prophets and to love them all. By reading those I understand the contents of the Quran…so I crawled before I walked…unlike your good self.

You have no right to say I have blasphemed or have sinned…for that is the work of God, and you are NOT God. Even Iblis worships Allah and does not dare blaspheme.

Better learn Rukun Islam and learn it deep before you attempt to type again. I’ll leave you at that…just the basics of Islam…I don’t think you can even talk about Rukun Iman yet.

Mark Hanson’s book for spiritual cleansing? I don’t think we need a Muslim hippie/convert from Walla Walla, Washington to enlighten us about it. Hats off to his Zaytuna Insitute in CA, though.

Like SD, I believe that the Qur’an has gone through too much exegesis and critical interpretation from too many so called ulamas.

Met Hanson during my final year in Notre Dame (yes Mak Su, I went to a Catholic university and no, I didn’t convert to Catholicism). Not very impressed.

JZ…Hanson is shunned by many in the Muslim world for being George W Bush’s pet Muslim because following 9-11 he was always seen siding Bush and Blair.

Abul A’la Mawdudi is an extremist, a politician who tried to impose a strict version of Islam in Pakistan, much like what was introduced in Terengganu, and in some aspects, Kelantan..and the aspiration of that certain political party in the northeast of the Peninsula. He was criticised by fellow scholars for being blasphemous in his writings about the Prophets and Sahabbahs.

So we know how enlightened Mak Su is after reading those books.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

back to topic :

Interesting that they should ban women from putting on make up and whatnots. After all, they are the ones behind many of the business we see there. At least once upon a time ago.

I suspect it will only fuel the ever raging hormones of them royal horny-ness to greater heights and might just make the statisitcs shoot through the roof.

Rape and sodomy do not need lipsticks or the thickness of school uniform cloth to make it happen.

Its all in the mindset – of the individuals, the community, the so called- village leaders who also double up as (as SD aptly put it) ULARmaks.

It has nothing to do with religion.

i can only read…but canot comment..

Hehehe…Deepy kutuk orang kampung…

jasmin, Hamza Yusuf Hanson may be a hippie convert to you..most of the time it’s the convert who behave in the appropriate manner, compared to some born Muslims, especially the so-called “urban Muslims” living in KL.

SD, you’ve been divorced twice? I’m sorry for the traumatic life that you led. Sirru Ala Barakatuka, Ya Akhi.

waduh SD…

kawe pong oghe kapong…

Mak Su, define “Urban Muslims”.

The fact that Hanson was a convert is not an issue. You misunderstood me. The fact that him being idolized by certain people is for me, not worth it since I don’t find him very knowledgeable in certain aspects of religion – be it Christianity or Islam. Some people find Mat Salleh converts to be a novelty, like Cat Stevens. To each his/her own.

Mak Su…the prophet Muhammad lost several wives during his lifetime and he had led a very traumatic life. You should say the same to him. I don’t find being divorced twice as traumatic. It is just a test from God and God tests those He loves…Muhammad included. I always hold to ad-Dhuhaa. I am glad He has shown me someone who makes fun of Muhammad’s and other people’s miseries.

I can safely say that you are sesat.

Go back to that hulu banat you are from, tudunged bitch. Takat nak include a bit of Arabic doesn’t make you on the sirrah-al-Mustaqim. I spoke out a love song lyrics in Arabic pakai kopiah pun orang kampung called me Ustaz.

You’re not a Prophet, and I’m not associating your act to what Prophet did. You need help, seriously. And it takes a bastard to recognise a bitch.

By the way, I don’t wear the hijab..not yet..

I am a bastard…female dog. you insulted my Prophet.

English punya meaning pun tak reti nak translate and comprehend. Bongok punya jalang. I never said I am a prophet, you cow-shit-for-brain. I said by making fun of the misery of others, you also make fun of the misery of the Prophet.

Pergi lagi PASTI. Orang suruh masuk Tadika KEMAS tak nak. Duduk kat Hulu Banat Pasir Mas tu.

kesian kat you SD…full of anger and hatred…such a sad soul…go and re-read the Qur’an, please.

Hahaha…I am not angry. You should see me when I am angry. I am merely having fun here.

Maybe you should read back the circular that MPKB sent…it was meant for ALL WORKING MUSLIM WOMEN. Not for MPKB staff, bitch.

You should also go re-read the Quran. Anyway, this is my blog. I can fucking say what I want in it.

jasmine, this is the person that you’re going to marry, huh? a male chauvinist who thinks he’s doing the right thing (and saying the right thing), defending the Muslim women out there? a supposedly “gentleman” who gets into a debate and call another woman “bitch”?

mabruk to your coming nuptials. semoga sentiasa di limpahi rahmah dan baraqah dari Allah.

Ahaahha…I’m sorry. But did you not say it takes a bastard to know a bitch? Was I debating with a woman? No, I was merely debating with a bitch.

And, you know what? The things you said aren’t right either. Let alone your understanding of simple malay circular that MPKB sent out, your ability to grasp the current affairs, your limited knowledge in Islam that you tried to enhance with a bit of Arabic.

Oh, my Baby’s a quantum leap smarter than you are.

“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not show off their beauty and ornaments except what is (ordinarily) visible thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband’s fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss.”

Surah 24 Verse 31

O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

Surah 33 Verse 59

The first reason for wearing hijab, then, is that it is a command from God. Religious Muslims – like any other religious people belonging to any revealed religion – don’t feel comfortable in deliberately disobeying God! If some Muslims, despite of the semantic clarity of the Qur’anic verses, still think that this ruling is not mandatory, this will not alter the message.

We can have some Muslims who unjustly or ignorantly deny the illegality of drinking alcohol, eating pork or even committing major sins like stealing, fornicating… etc. This does not mean that such things are permitted in Islam! In Islam it is very easy to detect or judge whether a certain ruling is mandatory or not, by going back to the major sources of Islamic legislation. This we technically name as ‘shari’a’. Those sources are the Qur’an, the Holy Book of Muslims, and sunnah, which is the sayings and guiding acts of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), as stated in authentic books. So, simply this is the very same case with hijab.

Mak Su, he never calls me bitch la… only you.. heheeh. So yes, I am going to marry him.

One thing for sure, he is DEFINITELY no male chauvinist. He has always treated me with respect, even though we have different opinions on certain things. I know one thing he cannot tolerate is idiocy and narrow-mindedness.

I was married to an MCP, so I know who’s an MCP and who’s not.

p/s: Mak Su, you do make a lot of research on SD and me, knowing my name (you SO mis-spelt it though) and how many times we’re divorced and all that…. thanks for the interest.

I am sorry…but nowhere does it say about covering your head. Like I said, you should understand the history behind each ayat. The second one was only to support the notion that the sahabbahs put forward to Muhammad when his wives were being harrassed by men who did not recognise them as his wives. So to differentiate them and the other women, including prostitutes, they were asked to put on a veil over the head. And this is not a blanket order that the hair is part of the aurah of women, and why were there prostitutes back in Muhammad’s time in Madinah?

Whether a person commits sin or not, or whether he/she is sinful in the eyes of Allah is only between Him and the offender. Did you not read the aHadith Sahih where a prostitute that removed her shoe to fill it up with water so a thirsty dog could drink was promised Paradise?

So who are you to be the moral judge then? Are you God? Are you His prophet?

good luck, both of you..in your life together as husband and wife.

And the one you put up earlier about covering the bosom (an-Nur 31)…that is all it says. And that is a long list of persons you can actually show your bosoms to. And in the Maliki sect, a woman can pray bare-breasted with a few prerequisites attached. Why did you not attach the ayat that says the aurat is as how Adam and Eve were?

Mak Su said,

on June 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

good luck, both of you..in your life together as husband and wife.

Thank you for the wish, Mak Su. We all have our opinions, that is how Mazhabs came about. Divisive when we start to advocate one and dismiss the others. No one Mazhab is right. We should respect the opinions of others, respect others (Muslims or otherwise) for we are all from one. Even a pig deserves to be treated humanely because God did not create pigs to be mistreated, dogs even.

For the harsh words I used in here against you, I sincerely apologise. This is my blog, I am my individual. I answer not to anyone but to Him who Created me, this earth, the heavens and all those in between.

Thank you Mak Su, I would love to invite you to our wedding if you give us your full name and address.

Mak Su, if you get the invitation, please ignore the white powdery substance in the envelope OK.

hmmm..this is mega interesting bro… 😉

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, opinions with substance and facts ( tak boleh cerita kosong sahaja )…for me the most important facts is there is more than syariah in the religion call Islam, and most muslims limit themselves to discuss further about it..they prefer the hearsay from ulama’ they didn’t even know.. If this lady has been to Saudi , specifically Mecca, she may has a lot more questions in her mind ( if she is an observer.. )…

..so now the ladies pakai tudung takut kat Tuhan ke takut kat MPKB….manipulating ‘spiritual’ decision…

what????? dang!!!! missed my lunch date… was so into reading the whole thing!!!! hahahahaha

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