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A Statement by KITA (not Zaid’s SAYA)

I received this from KITA’s Firdaus Christopher:

Revolt & growing discontent by KITA members/ leaders as their Chief Datuk Zaid Ibrahim roots for the loose Opposition alliance instead of own candidates in run up to GE13.

They do not agree with his recent statements seeking for particularly the Malays to vote in Pakatan candidates and no clarification or statement has been forthcoming from Zaid. As ROS has confirmed Zaid as the rightful Chief, they are seeking for his resignation.

For statements & further information, please contact Nik Yahaya Yusoff. AJK KITA 0174817079

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The Chinese Navy “Visits” Beting Serupai

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Mention the name Beting Serupai you might get frowned upon by many. Mention the name James Shoal, and it may raise a few eyebrows. To most Malaysian, they would not be able to pinpoint where James Shoal is, save for some avid fishing enthusiasts, but this 22-meter deep shoal 80 kilometres off Bintulu, Sarawak, has been “visited” by elements of the People’s Liberation Army – Navy (PLA-N) or simply referred to as the Chinese Navy, yesterday.

In its report on the 26th March 2013, the Associated Press wrote:

The official People’s Daily online said Wednesday that one destroyer, two frigates and an amphibious landing ship took part in the drills around Chinese-controlled outcroppings. They involved hovercraft, ship-born helicopters, amphibious tanks, and land-based fighters and bombers, and were followed by a ceremonial visit Tuesday to James Shoal farther south.

The Beting Serupai has always been part of China’s claim, lumped together in the Spratlys, as its southernmost territory. Prior to this “visit” the PLA-N visited the shoal in 1993 and 1994. In April of 2010, its vessel, the Marine Surveillance Ship-83 placed a sovereignty stele into the water area of the shoal.

When Malaysia enhanced its relationship with China in May 2011, it was looked at as a step further towards harnessing a greater economic relationship. The Malaysian Opposition was quick to excoriate the act as political pandering. But in retrospect, it was strategically a good move as it relives the act by the Sultanate of Melaka with the Chinese. China is not a country one could just ignore. As in the 15th century, an alliance with China not only provides economic benefits, but also from a military standpoint.

It is no secret that after China’s warnings to Japan, South Korea and Taiwan in 2012, the United States was actively looking for bases in this region. Among the countries where bases are sought include the Philippines and Vietnam. However, no other modern naval base offers the best proximity than Malaysia’s own Teluk Sepanggar just north of Kota Kinabalu. Therefore, it comes as no surprise that the carrier battle group of the USS John C Stennis decided to make a port call there in early October 2012. Before that, in the month of April 2012, the RMN base was visited by the US Navy Secretary, who brought with him the submarine-tender, the USS Emory S Land, and the Los Angeles-class nuclear attack submarine, the USS Louisville.

The only factor that is stopping the US Navy from getting naval base facilities in Sabah is probably not having a Malaysian government that would kowtow to them. Therefore, the outcome of the next general elections would be important to them. Little wonder that Sabah has been the aim of a certain party. However, this writer hopes that this dangerous effort would not come to fruition.

That the Department of Foreign Affairs of the Philippines has asked Filipinos to stop referring to Sabah as Sabah, Malaysia three days ago, citing Memorandum Circular No. 162 issued by Malacanang back in 2008. The DFA has also begun referring to Filipinos fleeing Sabah as “displaced persons” instead of “evacuees” or “returnees.” This is the Philippines government doing a 180 on its previous position re the Sabah claim. The fact that the US Navy and Marines have begun deploying its assets in the Philippines comes as no surprise. On Tuesday the USN and US Marine Corps offloaded more than 270 tactical and amphibious assault vehicles in Subic Bay, Zambales.

American troops from the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, III Marine Expeditionary Force, offloaded a High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle from the container and roll-on, roll-off ship USNS 1st Lt. Jack Lummus on March 21. Some 8,000 troops from both the US and the Philippines will commence its Balikatan exercise on 5th April. And the US has yet to offer an explanation on why its minesweeper, the USS Guardian, could run aground on Tubbataha Reef in the Sulu Sea near Palawan, two weeks before the incursion by the Sulu militants. And suddenly, Jamalul Kiram III who hardly has enough money to cover the bills for his twice-weekly kidney dialysis, could find the financial resources to send hundreds of armed militants across the Sulu Sea to Lahad Datu.

Perhaps, the Chinese naval exercise in the South China Sea and its “visit” to the southernmost part it claims comes as a warning to any party that plans to upset the military balance in the region. China, I would expect, would want to protect its interests; and the 180 by the Philippines in the Sabah issue could be seen as an attempt to de-stabilise the region. Having Sabah not only allows a nation to dip its fingers into Sabah’s oilfields but also increases its EEZ reach into the Spratlys.

Whatever the intentions may be by all the related parties, the Malaysian government should seriously look into increasing its naval and aerial assets. A country that is weak militarily will only see its soil trampled by foreign forces. The government should also make sure Sabah is not lost to another nation, and act against the Quislings who have caused the emergency in Lahad Datu.

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Sabah: Revisit 1950

We enter the fourth day of skirmishes with eight deaths on our side without any long-term solution. Fighting an almost endless stream of battle-hardened enemy along a porous coastline. Like it or not, we have to face the facts and hit it head on, and stop living in denial.

With Nur Misuari, leader of the MNLF, already giving a stern warning to Malaysia over the recent firefights, and the growing sentiment in the Philippines in support of their people fighting our forces on the eastern part of Sabah, we have no choice but to be firm. And when we fight an enemy that abides by no rules, we will have to make up our own as we did back in 1950.

The latest skirmish that cost the life of six police officers and men goes to show that there are sympathizers amongst the hundreds of thousands of Filipinos earning their living here – most calling Sabah home instead of the Moro region.

In view of this, I would like to suggest to the government to revisit the Briggs’ Plan not only to ensure that the militants do not get support from sympathizers, but also to ensure that those who are genuinely here to make Sabah home are well taken care of in terms of provisions and medical treatment.

I leave the mechanism to the authorities but this is no time to be pussy-footing. The Sabah coastline that is exposed to infiltration stretches from Kudat and all the way southeast to Tawau. Even if we deploy all 300,000 men of the police and Armed Forces, we would be stretching our resources film-thin.

Give it a thought, but please don’t take another 23 days to decide.

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An Appeal To All Social Media Practitioners

Tolong pesan dgn orang lain..tolong jgn update dekat facebook kalau ternampak ATM tgh buat roadblock dekat mana dan kereta dekat mana..percuma Penceroboh dapat info!! Senang2 diorang serang..btw ada apa2 simpan dalam hati..mereka sedang memerhati!!

Kepada Rakyat Sabah..Tolong jangan sebarkan maklumat di fb atau dimana2 sekalipun apa yg anda nampak Polis dan ATM lakukan di Sabah… Apa yg anda nampak itu adalah rahsia pertahanan negara…Tolong jangan merasa bangga dgn maklumat yg anda sebarkan… Anda hanya akan mengeruhkan lg keadaan…Secara tak sengaja anda hanya membocorkan maklumat kepada pengkhianat negara…

Sekarang anda juga memegang amanah negara dgn tidak menyebarkan maklumat… Pegang amanah itu erat2…

TOLONG SEBARKAN!

rasanya update pasal info berapa yg terkorban itu tiada masalah.. atau update info agar semua orang lebih berhati-hati itu tiada masalah.. cuma jangan update info yg berkaitan dgn gerakan PDRM dan tentera diluar sana.

Terima Kasih

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Take Sabah Away, Mr Sulu

When the late Gene Roddenderry wanted an Asian character to be part of the crew of the Federation Starship USS Enterprise, he wanted a surname that does not represent any particular nation. George Takei, an actor in the world-renowned TV show recalled how Roddenderry opened up a map, looked at Asia and saw the Sulu Sea and exclaimed:

“Ah! The waters of that sea touch all shores!”

That was how the character Hikaru Sulu got his name.

And how true it is that the Sulu Sea has now touched on the raw and sensitive parts of the shores of both Malaysia and the Philippines.

I wrote some days back on the current stand-off in Lahad Datu and it is today Day 11th since a group of armed men claiming to represent the Sultan of Sulu landed in Lahad Datu, Sabah in Malaysia, asking for the return of Sabah to the Sultanate of Sulu.  When the Philippines government worked a peace deal with the Muslims in the country’s deep south via the Bangsamoro Framework Agreement, the Muslims and their Filipino brethren embraced it as finally a way forward after decades of impasse.  The framework allows for the creation of a single and autonomous entity called Bangsamoro replacing the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao.

The framework agreement was signed at the Malacanang Palace on 15th October 2012 in the presence of President Beningno Aquino III of the Philippines; Al Haj Murad Ebrahim, the Chairman of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front; Najib Razak, Prime Minister of Malaysia; and Ekmeleddin Ä°hsanoÄŸlu, Secretary-General of the Organisation of Islamic Countries.

Absent was Nur Misuari, leader of the Moro National Liberation Front. Nur Misuari had called the BFA irrelevant claiming it was cloned by President Aquino and Najib Razak.  The MILF is a breakaway group that was part of the MNLF back in the 1970s.  Disagreement in the way Nur Misuari handled issues led to the group breaking away.

Also absent was the Sultan of Sulu.  The alienation of the Sultan probably led to the Lahad Datu stand-off.  The Sultan admitted to have been prompted by the alienation to send some 400 men across the sea to Sabah, as the BFA had seen not only improvements in the lives of the Bangsamoro that he played no role in, but also in the intimacy between the Philippines and Malaysia as neighbours.  And as mentioned in my previous posting on this issue, Nur Misuari’s MNLF supports the Sultan.  And this recent posture is to display its relevance again to the Moro people.

But why was the Sultan alienated in the peace process?  Simple – there are now ten people who claim the throne.  The Philippines government cannot be dealing with ten different Sultans with ten different basic ideas on how to bring peace and development to the Bangsamoro.  Nur Misuari himself did not attend the signing as he fears that there is an ongoing warrant issued for his arrest for waging war against the Philippines government.

As the militants are bogged down into their second week in Lahad Datu surrounded by the Malaysian security forces, Nur Misuari was quick to threaten Malaysia saying “if one drop of blood is spilled then we will be forced to come to their aid.”  Nur Misuari also said the following:

This should be handled by cooler heads…that it would also be good to await the Malaysian general election to see who will be the new Prime Minister…

And who has Nur Misuari implied by that?  None other than his old friend, Anwar Ibrahim.  It was reported by Reuters and confirmed by Philippine military sources that Anwar had traveled and met Nur Misuari to discuss land claims in Sabah, a few months before the Lahad Datu incident happened.  Anwar has vehemently denied this, but the photo below shows otherwise:

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Now, Anwar Ibrahim seems a dubious character himself. In a recent open letter, his former legal counsel member, Yuktes Vijay, asked about the former’s links to Islamic fundamentalists as well as known terrorists. Therefore, it is not impossible for him to have met Nur Misuari to discuss the matter, and then deny it like he denied ever being conferred the title of Huguan Siou although people from his own political party had announced that on Facebook, complemented by photos of him.

The Philippines government has sent six naval vessels to stop people from the Moro region from entering Malaysian waters as this stand-off continues.  And although the Malaysian government has an upperhand and the firepower to end this stand-off, it is probably of best interest to the Bangsamoro, the government of the Philippines as well as Malaysia, to not allow anything to jeopardise the BFA that is still in its infancy.  Perhaps, the MILF and supporters of the BFA in the Moro region should lend their support to both governments to try end this madness.

In the meantime, while treading gently on this issue, both governments should get to the root of this and probe Anwar Ibrahim’s role in facilitating or prompting this incident.  For it would not have happened had it not been for someone from the Malaysian side advocating and encouraging it to happen.  It is something close to Sabah, and we know Sabah is being wooed by Anwar’s party.  Get the support of the Kadazan-Dusun-Murut community by being recognised as their Paramount Leader (Huguan Siou), you will get support from the Christians in the west side of Sabah.  Get a deal with the Tausugs in Sulu, you will get support from the Muslims especially in the eastern part of Sabah.

But at what cost?  That remains unanswered.  But maybe Gene Roddenderry would frown had he known the Sulu Sea is one of the volatile areas of the region.

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The Case for God – Part 2

In the previous installment we see the difference in how Christianity was spread throughout the Indo-Malay world. In this installment, we discuss the concept of Trinity and why some Christians now continue to reject it.

Allah The One God

Since Allah is the common denominator to refer to God in the Arabic-speaking world, why is it then a problem for Malay Muslims to accept its use in the Malaysian Bibles?

First of all, the common denominator for God in the Indo-Malay speaking world is Tuhan, not Allah.   Like mentioned in paragraphs above, the general Christian world believes in the Trinity where God is the Father, God is the Son, and God is the Holy Spirit.  Muslims have a problem here thinking that this is all about polytheism, but really in technical terms it is not.  But neither is it monotheism as the Jews and Muslims hold on to.  In the Trinity concept, while God is all those three persons, the Father is NOT the Son or the Holy Spirit; the Son is NOT the Father or the Holy Spirit; neither the Holy Spirit is the other two.  It is the concept of one deity in three persons.

The problem with Muslim scholars in Malaysia is that their studies are so focused on Islam that they fail at comparative religious studies and often make opinions based on what they think is being practiced in other religions.  How many other Muslims read the Bible to know that after the publishing of the King James Bible in 1611, there have been other versions including the “new version”, the “children version”, and the “American version” (I’ll call them KJV in short)? How many know of the various changes made to God’s words in the Bible that appears in the KJV of today?

Mind you, the KJV was translated and printed by Thomas Nelson Publishers.  In 1969, the publishers was purchased by Sam Moore, who started by selling Bibles door-to-door to finance his pursuit of a medical degree.  He vowed to make Thomas Nelson the leading publisher of Bibles again. In 1976, he initiated the creation of the new Bible translation calling it the New King James Version (NKJV) that propelled Thomas Nelson back to the number one spot.

Hence, the NKJV Bible is more a human dogma than a collection of divine words.  Some versions has had the word “He” changed to “It” to accommodate a politically-correct gender-unbiased view.  Personally, I would use “It” to refer either to things that are not alive, or to beings other than the human.  The Quran, on the other hand, has never been changed, and the divinity of its content unquestioned.

The concept of Trinity was also alien to some Christians.  It was during the First Council of Nicea in 325AD , the first ecumenical council of the Church that was convened by the Roman Emperor, Constantine I, that an attempt to get the Christian world to agree on the divinity of Jesus Christ.  The main topic was to discuss the teachings of a Christian presbyter in Egypt called Arius, who focused on Godhead, which emphasized the Father’s divinity over the Son.  He endorsed the following doctrine:

  1. That the Son, or the Word (Logos) and the Father were not of the same essence (ousia);
  2. That the Son was a created being (ktisma);
  3. That the worlds were created through the Word, then he must have existed before all time;
  4. However, the Word did not exist, before he was begotten by the Father.

For his belief, and for refusing to sign the Creed and accepting the divinity of Christ, Arius and two other Church leaders were banished, prompting others to sign.  One must remember that Emperor Constantine I was never a baptized Christian until he was on his deathbed and the word ecumenical means world, in reference to the Roman Empire dominating what they saw was the world to them.

The Arian church lives on in some parts of the world, notably in the Eastern Christianity domain, the Oriental Orthodox.  Due to the differences, the Church of Rome and the Orthodox Church were no longer in communion, although rivalry between the two have all but diminished since the Great Schism, but the latter still rejects the dogmatic definition published by the Pope, or by an ecumenical council, and also rejects the Council of Chalcedon.

The introduction of  the Filioque by the Western Church into the Latin version of the Nicene Creed without holding a council or gaining consent from the Eastern Churches contributed greatly to this schism. The Filioque is a phrase that states the Holy Spirit as proceeding from “the Father and the Son”, while the Eastern Churches have always held on to the fact that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, and has the same status as the Son.

As such, God the Father in this concept does not qualify itself to be interpreted as Allah to be used in the Bible. God, as portrayed in the Trinity concept, does not stand, and cannot stand alone.  The concept of God as a Supreme Being that exists even before time does not seem to hold true when it comes to the Christian interpretation of God, and although the Jews, Christians and Muslims are people of the book, only the Christians have created God as an image, whereas, especially in Islam, God is beyond human comprehension.  Simply put, if you think that it is impossible to imagine God, even that imagination and thought come after His creation and is still nowhere near describing Allah.  Both the Jews and the Muslims reject the hypostasis nature of God as projected by the Christians.

Therefore, in my humble opinion, and without prejudice to my Christian friends, God the Father should be Tuhan Bapak; God the Son should be Tuhan Anak; and God the Holy Spirit should be Tuhan Ruhul Kudus.

In my next installment, we will have a look at the common denominator and what has become of it, and what I think of this whole issue.

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2012 in review

The WordPress.com stats helper monkeys prepared a 2012 annual report for this blog.

Here’s an excerpt:

4,329 films were submitted to the 2012 Cannes Film Festival. This blog had 18,000 views in 2012. If each view were a film, this blog would power 4 Film Festivals

Click here to see the complete report.

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The Case For Turun Zakir Naik

Zakir Naik.

A name that I never knew of until last week, when a lawyer-friend asked me what I thought of him. I never gave the question much thought until this morning.

Zakir Naik was a doctor in India until he decided to abandon his practice to pursue his idea of helping Islam, or so he believes.

His speeches have irked so many that he was refused entry into the UK and Canada for glorifying terrorism and other inflammatory remarks. You can read more about it here.

He is due to make an appearance here in Malaysia. Blogger Dhanyaraam described Zakir Naik as a person who could affect the harmony of Malaysia’s plural society. Zakir Naik on several occasions have made fun of the Hindu lord, Ganesha.

Would I want a person like Zakir Naik here in Malaysia? I hope the authorities would seriously look into this matter. But as a Muslim, God’s warning in Surah al-An’am (6: 108) is reason enough for me to not allow him in.

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As 2012 Approaches

The sun has just set over Kuala Lumpur for the year 2011, and as usual at the end of every year, here I am to summarise the year in a few dozen words.  It won’t be as carefree as it used to be as this blog is now under scrutiny, and I don’t think I can write as much personal stuff as I used to do pre-August 2011.  However, this is still my personal blog, where I write my personal views and I’d like to reiterate that again – my personal blog, not a blog belonging to some political cybertrooper out to influence the thinking of others. I write what I feel about things and I couldn’t care less who’s in the firing line, or what your political inclination may be.

Work-wise: it has been a good year. No one has died offshore, touchwood, under my watch, although a sister company lost a diver last September which I blame the deceased’s surface supervisor. I am wearing two hats, one for the subsidiary I work for, the other being at corporate level. The Group has also given the go-ahead to merge with another giant to form the 5th largest service provider in the world, making us a very serious contender for projects worldwide. This merger has enabled us to have our reach as far as the Gulf of Mexico and Brazil. I am happy where I am, earning my Ringgit. Enough to feed the family and go for cheap vacations.

I also plan to do my Masters in the field I am now involved in. It won’t be easy, but it would satisfy my hunger for knowledge.  I am just looking for the appropriate place to do the course.

My health:  health has been good.  I did not lose much weight as compared to the same time last year.  I lost one kilo as compared to this time last year, but I gained a kilo more than I did during the fasting month.  I need to discipline myself more in terms of the things I eat, but at least apart from water, I drink at least 600ml of fresh fruit juice daily at work. I was 95.8 kilos on 31st Deecember last year, and this morning I weighed at 94.0 kilos. Well, that’s almost 2 kilos off.

On the personal side: life’s been good but work has been taking its toll too. I admit I have not been giving my wife and kids as much attention as I used to, but what I love about my wife is she will keep things in check and would get me to let things off my chest, admit my mistakes where it’s been made, and work out on how to improve or what needs a review. That is the thing about us, not wanting to get into that “me husband, you wife” routine, but regard each other as the best friends we were before we got married. And for that I value her understanding where I falter and get too deeply engrossed in my own world. There has been times where I do not play much role at home, getting on the PC and back at work when I am back at home, and end up either on the social network or playing games to get my mind off work so I could sleep. But an understanding wife is what forgetful husbands like I need…and I appreciate those hugs at night even if I never say much. From now on I will go home to a good long hug first no matter how crappy the day at the office had been. My wife has always been my best friend, that is how she will remain first as, before she is my wife.

I would love to have seen a better race-relations in Malaysia: we are still racially-polarised here in Malaysia, no matter what we say, no thanks especially to selfish politicians who are determined to keep Malaysians divided politically and racially. There have been instances where politicians introduced steps or other methods to split the unity of the people, for example, the attempt to introduce mosque-committee elections which would definitely split the unity of the Malays. That was a blatant attempt to dilute the voting power of the Malays, while keeping the support of the Chinese in particular, intact.

I would also like to see the quota system for public university intakes for Bumiputras to be removed.  I am in the opinion that Malay students think it is their birthright to have that quota, but they don’t do much studying.  The recent demonstration for “Academic Freedom” by undergrads jockeyed by a certain political party underscores this fact.  Give deserving students the university seats as well as financial aid so that we would have better quality Director-Generals, Departmental Heads in the civil service.

On that score, I would also like to see more non-Malays join the civil service and uniformed services, where they are given equal rights to promotion based on merit rather than quota. I remember how good the police and Air Force were right up until the mid-1990s. There were more non-Malay senior officers than there are now.

I would also like to see Ministers, politicians on both sides of the fence, senior government officials involved in graft cases to face the full force of the law. They must be made to remember that they have been put there to serve the people, not their self-interest. They have been given the responsibility to serve the people (rakyat) and manage the department, ministry, state, country on behalf of the people. If they breach that trust given by the people, they don’t belong in their posts.

The NFC issue is also a thorn in every one’s backside. In my opinion, the Prime Minister should have asked the Minister in question (whose family members benefited from the government loan and project) to step down and go on leave pending investigation. That would have been the best method instead of keeping quiet about it.  Now, whatever action that is taken against the Minister would be construed as “an election ploy.” it is far too late, and BN and UMNO in particular will have to live with this thorny issue during the next General Elections. This is one issue that will drag whatever effort Najib Razak has been doing to transform Malaysia, down.  It would take a huge effort for BN canvassers to answer this issue on the said Minister’s behalf.

For PR, it is plain and simple for Malays to see that their DAP partners have been jockeying Malay (and even Indian) interests for their own interest.  Selangor, in particular, is being administered in the background by Little Napoleons that even sensitive issues like the JAIS report on the DUMC issue has yet to be released to the public in full.  Maybe, the Menteri Besar has a leash in the form of a political noose around his neck, held by political “partners” from both DAP and within PKR. We will see what the future holds for Khalid Ibrahim.

Whatever it is, 2012 will be an interesting year for us all, be it in a positive manner or otherwise.  Let us just wait and see.

Happy New Year all and have a good year ahead.

 

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HUDUH

Yes, no, yes, no.

It is the perception of some that Nik Aziz’s wanting to exercise the Hudud is a smoke-screen aimed at throwing people off PAS’s back after the crappy reception it received due to Mat Sabu’s open support for the communist, Mat Indera.  It is my opinion that Mat Sabu’s support for Mat Indera was very much DAP’s script.  It is an open secret that Johor is the target of DAP – you split the Malays in Johor, you will break UMNO’s back.  Coming from DAP, that is nothing new.  DAP had tried to pit the Malays in Penang against each other by trying to introduce the Mosque Committee elections.  Had the elections gone through, it would have seen Malays of different political stand battle each other and the congregation of each mosque would never be the same again.  Let the Malays fight each other, you will have the solid backing from the Penang Chinese community, thus Penang would remain in DAP’s hands come GE13.

In the period of  PR’s political “maturity”, Nik Aziz’s stand on the Hudud issue was uncalled for.  It successfully displayed to the public what kind of coalition PR is – same bedfellows with different dreams.  The only thing they have in common is to oust BN from power.  Whether or not the motley team can unite to run the country effectively remains a big question.  While DAP controls Penang in toto it was not the case when PR was running Perak, and certainly not so now in Selangor.  In both these states, although headed by a Menteri Besar from PAS and PKR, DAP is the one calling the shots.  The PR Perak saw DAP assemblymen doing things at their own whims and fancies; in Selangor the DUMC fiasco saw three DAP assemblymen (and only them) at the initial damage-control press conference held by the PKR Menteri Besar.  Nik Aziz seems like a rogue to the DAP on the Hudud issue, veering away from the PR tangent, and Anwar Ibrahim’s initial support for Nik Aziz has seen an about turn.  What is PR without DAP’s support?  Where would Anwar be without the DAP?

Therefore, yesterday’s press conference announcing the reaching of an amicable solution between the three parties seem more of a window dressing for damage has already been done.  It only goes to prove who, among the three parties,  now calls the shots – and how powerless Nik Aziz is.

The speaker is not in power
The larger one is the one in power